# Using DevKinsta without installing Docker Desktop
**URL:** https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397
**Category:** Installation
**Created:** [August 1, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397 "2023-08-01T15:02:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@sharpspring](https://community.kinsta.com/u/sharpspring)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/1 "2023-08-01T15:02:17Z")
Hi everyone,
My question is based on situations where we cannot have a license for Docker Desktop. You could assume a commercial large business with 250+ employees. The compliant software for local development at this company is not Docker Desktop but instead something else like minikube or rancher.
Can we install docker and docker-compose (v2) via Homebrew and continue using the DevKinsta application as is?
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### Author:  [@Agus](https://community.kinsta.com/u/Agus)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/4 "2023-08-03T03:23:55Z")
Hello @sharpspringđź‘‹
I don’t have Mac and have no experience using it before (been using Ubuntu Linux and Windows 10/11 so far while testing/using DevKinsta), so not quite sure about this - and in our documentation ([Mac section](https://kinsta.com/knowledgebase/devkinsta/installation/#mac)) it mentioned about “Docker Desktop”.
In my Linux (currently using Ubuntu 22.04.02 LTS) though I only installed Docker Engine (and didn’t need to install Docker Desktop), and could run DevKinsta just fine with it.
I also searched on google and found this [external article about how to installing Docker on Mac with Homebrew cask](https://www.cprime.com/resources/blog/docker-for-mac-with-homebrew-a-step-by-step-tutorial/) (again I have no experiences at all with Mac or with that Homebrew thing, and don’t use/have Mac here) - just sharing, in case that might help.
Maybe you can give it a try to install Docker via Homebrew on your local computer/Mac , and if it could be installed and is running just fine, then I think DevKinsta app/program will be able to run with that Docker.
Regards,
Agus
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### Author:  [@sharpspring](https://community.kinsta.com/u/sharpspring)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2023, 8:02pm UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/5 "2023-08-15T20:02:11Z")
Thank you Agus, I’ll try to install Docker via Homebrew and try to use DevKinsta this way on Mac.
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### Author:  [@sharpspring](https://community.kinsta.com/u/sharpspring)
#### Post date: [June 5, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/6 "2024-06-05T15:13:21Z")
Hi there, just an update to my post. I was able to setup the containers in Rancher Desktop. You have to make sure in Rancher that the Administrative Access is checked off before trying to create or start your site in DevKinsta. Also make sure that Docker Desktop is removed completely before trying this so there is no conflict as Rancher will now use the default docker.sock to create the Docker socket (located in /var/run/docker.sock).
To get to the setting in Rancher go to Preferences \> Application \> General. The Administrative Access checkbox should be there.
Also ensure you are using dockerd (moby) as your Container Engine. This is under Preferences \> Container Engine \> check dockerd (moby) \> Apply.
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### Author:  [@merineth](https://community.kinsta.com/u/merineth)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/7 "2024-06-06T02:47:19Z")
Hi @sharpspring Thank you so much for sharing this workaround on how to setup containers using Rancher Desktop.
I am sure this will be very helpful to everyone in the community. We appreciate your input. Thanks again!
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### Author:  [@nolanmaris](https://community.kinsta.com/u/nolanmaris)
#### Post date: [June 11, 2024, 7:21am UTC](https://community.kinsta.com/t/using-devkinsta-without-installing-docker-desktop/2397/8 "2024-06-11T07:21:50Z")
> [@sharpspring](#):
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> My question is based on situations where we cannot have a license for Docker Desktop. You could assume a commercial large business with 250+ employees. The compliant software for local development at this company is not Docker Desktop but instead something else like minikube or rancher.
>
> Can we install docker and docker-compose (v2) via Homebrew and continue using the DevKinsta application as is?
Hello
You can install Docker and Docker Compose (v2) via Homebrew, but using DevKinsta alongside might lead to conflicts. DevKinsta is optimized for its bundled Docker environment. Exploring alternatives like minikube or Rancher might be worth considering.
Hope it helps !
Thank you
nolanmaris